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- Marxo Grouch

Delete TV Xuxa (2008-2014) page

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MariaJúlia1718 (talkcontribs)

I accidentely created the page, despite I was going to make the page in a sandbox

Could you delete the TV Xuxa (2008-2014) page?

Marxo Grouch (talkcontribs)

Done.

DiegoTheHildaFan2005

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ShawnTehLogoBoi (talkcontribs)

He's created the Sally Bollywood: Super Detective page at least three times, and he's only doing this just so he can have the show on Best Shows & Episodes Wiki. Would you please give him a temporary block?

Marxo Grouch (talkcontribs)

I have decided to just lock the page from for a month because he keeps creating it with little to nothing in it. If he keeps pestering us about the show, then I will consider a temporary block.

"That wiki has no affiliation with QP."

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FatBurn0000 (talkcontribs)

That is completely irrelevant. If a page is on one reception wiki and best fits there, it should not be duplicated. We do not need two pages about one subject on any wikis.

Is there a rule suggesting we must stick to title cards only on every episode article?

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Summary by Neat Structure

Turns out there is a rule all along from Qualitipedia's manual of style suggesting we must stick to generic title cards only...

Neat Structure (talkcontribs)

Some user named Zekeman1991 is annoyingly edit warring trying to replace every single image on every Fairly OddParents articles with generic episode title cards to force us to like them, even though it's completely clear that there is no rule stating we have to stick to episode title cards only and that the admins have no problem with different images. To be honest, episode title cards can get repetitive after a while and make the articles look more like Fandom and Wikipedia. Some other articles like the Powerpuff Girls articles for example do not even feature generic episode title cards and yet Zekeman1991 keeps on making excuses.

ShawnTehLogoBoi (talkcontribs)

Oh, and he almost tried to do the same with the Bunsen is a Beast episode "Beast of Friends", but luckily I put the title card image in a gallery before he could do so.

Zekeman1991 (talkcontribs)

How is putting the title card image in the gallery suppose to get a rise out of me? That just seems foolish.

Neat Structure (talkcontribs)

ShawnTehLogoBoi, look at Marxo Grouch's response below.

Marxo Grouch (talkcontribs)

Qualitipedia's manual of style suggests that title cards be used in episode page infoboxes, so you aren't entirely in the right here. At the very least, I have instituted a one-week lock on the page in question to stall the edit war.

Zekeman1991 (talkcontribs)

Marxo incase you're wondering no I did not do anything to start it. It all started when Neat Structure reverted the edits. Sure I may have continued it in some way but I don't think it would be fair to temporaliy block me for something that was started by another user. This didn't need to happen.

Neat Structure (talkcontribs)

The head customs on every article across the Shows/Episodes Wiki that's not listed in the Average category can be changed without a problem, yet there is a rule suggesting that we must stick to generic title cards only? That's ridiculous.

Zekeman1991 (talkcontribs)

You called me a brat and you're acting like you own the wiki this is not acceptable. I tried to be respectful I really did but you took it too far. Like I said you self-reverted the image on Sooper Poof keeping the title card image for that one even though you claim you don't like title card images for other episodes. So what's your logic? I can't believe you're doing this.

Neat Structure (talkcontribs)

Zekeman1991, if there was no rule saying we must stick to generic episode title cards only, as Marxo Grouch's response suggests above, I would have easily reverted all of your edits. I didn't self-revert to please you. I self-reverted because I thought the title card was more fitting instead of the older image in the Sooper Poof article as well as the Open Wide and Say Aah! article. Anyway, hope you're happy now. I'm done going back and fourth with you. Have a nice night.

Zekeman1991 (talkcontribs)

But that doesn't make sense to me is that to say that the title cards for the other pages aren't fitting?

Marxo Grouch (talkcontribs)

If you want to lodge this with QP staff, the I suggest taking it to AP Central where you'll likely receive wiser guidance than you'll get from me.

Neat Structure (talkcontribs)

^Okay.

Augustborn1996

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Augustborn1996 (talkcontribs)

Why did Gizzy & The Lemmings get deleted again? I though it was establish by some fans that were on the "Why did Gizzy & The Lemmings get deleted again?" Blog that this show should be on Terrible Tv Shows Wiki.

Marxo Grouch (talkcontribs)

Not only was the page itself awful, it it also lacked sources to justify its placement here. Until you can provide sufficient sources to justify the show's placement, the original deletion still stands.

Augustborn1996 (talkcontribs)

So....what needs to be improved? Please tell me.

Zangler (talkcontribs)

Source your claims in the 'Reception' section.

Marxo Grouch (talkcontribs)

There wasn't a reception section at all on the page I deleted. Should the page be recreated, it should feature a reception section with enough sources to justify its placement, because if it's recreated one more time without any reliable sources I will be salting the page from recreation until its placement is properly justified to my face.

Augustborn1996 (talkcontribs)

So I gota do is add in a "Reception Bar" to the page and its all good?

Marxo Grouch (talkcontribs)

You also need to include sources that prove that the show belongs here, otherwise the page lacks credibility. Don't just use one source and call it a day. Use a variety of sources to prove your point, though do keep in mind that some sources are blacklisted from use.

Augustborn1996 (talkcontribs)

Include sources that prove that the show belongs here such as?

Marxo Grouch (talkcontribs)

YouTube reviews are a good place to look outside of IMDb. That's really the only idea I have. If anyone else would like to provide viable sources, that would be appreciated.

Augustborn1996 (talkcontribs)

Well ok, I would like to re-add Grizzy & The Lemmings to Terrible Tv Shows Wiki sometime later this year, so I'll remember that.

Lucas Ribeiro Bezerra (talkcontribs)

E possível que Grizzy & Lemmings não vai pra está Wiki porque teve recepção positiva dos críticos e da audiência

MariaJúlia1718 (talkcontribs)

He said that Grizzy & Lemmings will not be in this wiki, because it received positive reception from critics and viewers

Augustborn1996 (talkcontribs)

Wait it did?

MariaJúlia1718 (talkcontribs)

Yes

Augustborn1996 (talkcontribs)

Oh.....I though it would be at the very least average, ecpassitly due to its overall qualities and out-dated story telling.

Please don't delete the website wikis!

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Summary by Blazikeye535

Don't harass users over off topic stuff.

Memegod (talkcontribs)

I love the wikis miraheze has and I'd really hate to see 2 of them go!!

Reviweing97Shows (talkcontribs)

...how immature has the opposers gotten?

Can you delete the I Was a Teenage Gary page?

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Aurger (talkcontribs)

It has a 8.4 rating and I think it should be moved to the best tv shows wiki.

Wikiti98 (talkcontribs)

Ratings on IMDb are not enough to justify an episode being good and worthy of being on best tv shows. Some shows and episodes on this wiki are highly overrated

Marxo Grouch (talkcontribs)

Your lucky day. I've revisited why I deleted the page and determined that it should have stayed up.

Time Trap should deleted from this wiki

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Summary by Marxo Grouch

Well this got out of hand fast while I was gone.

I will deliver my final verdict here: the page stays unless there is actual proof that the episode is positively received. Self-done research won't cut it.

JD2001 (talkcontribs)

Here's a link: https://terribletvshows.miraheze.org/wiki/Time_Trap!_(The_Loud_House)

I didn't find a large amount of people that really gave it a bad reputation, in fact, I found a large amount of people who gave this episode praise. Also, the Fairly Oddparents has a similar plot to the episode, and it's not on the wiki.

Also, the points are invalid. It has misrepresentation, misinformation, inaccuracies, a couple of Double Standards, and missing context.

1. Having fantasy and Sci-Fi elements do not make a movie or TV objectively bad, it all comes down to execution. Also, the show was never that realistic in the first place. In Season 1, the sisters turned into a tornado in “Heavy Meddle”, Lisa made Trashy, a monster made out of trash in “Chore and Peace”, in "11 Louds a Leapin'", Lynn lift up an entire couch with one arm and show little to no effort from it; in "Fool's Paradise", the Louds survived Luan's pranks, and in " ARGGH! You for Real?", there was an actual ghost at the end. Lisa also made a time machine in “the Mad Scientist". Plus, there's a large number of people who made fanfictions and fanart that have the characters in a sci-fi and fantasy setting. Bottom-line is that this point doesn’t work if the show hasn’t been that realistic and there are a lot of fans who like or love fantasy elements in the show.

2. Leni and Lynn’s behavior are subjective, not objective. Plus, they’re both character consistent and Lynn has acted this way in season 3. Lisa is not OOC, she is aware that time travel worked before and hasn’t caused any major problems. Their reason was valid because the vase was easily breakable while a toaster wasn’t easily breakable.

3. Other shows have characters time travel for simple or mundane reasons. For example: In the Regular Show episode “Bad Kiss”, Mordecai and Margaret finally kiss, but Mordecai is left disappointed after it was cut short by his bad breath, and wants to go back in time to redo it. In Lilo & Stitch: The Series episode “Melty”, Lilo falls into a puddle of mud in front of Keoni. To try to erase her embarrassment, she uses Jumba's time-traveling invention. In Gravity Falls episode "The Time Traveler's Pig", Dipper time travels to get a do over with Wendy; In the Fairly Oddparents episode “Father Time!" (which I’ll get back to soon), Timmy accidentally melts his dad's trophy with his heat vision and wishes to go back in time to make sure he never won it. It’s hypocritical to say this episode is bad for having a simple or mundane reason for time traveling while turning a blind eye to other shows making this sort of reason. Also, it’s never said that the vase is replaced, it’s highly likely that it’s fixed.

4. Here are the inaccuracies as well as some missing context misinformation. Lynn Sr. and Rita have a good life because they only saw the Loud kids’ flaws and didn’t see their strengths, which made them discouraged to have kids, which can happen to any couple who don’t see that kids aren’t always trouble and can make their lives.

Mr. Grouse has good, yes, but they’re not conveying that he hates the Louds, he likes them, he made that clear, he gets stressed when he has to yell at them, take their stuff when it lands on his property, and loses sleep on some nights. That’s what they were conveying, even the person you like can stress you sometimes.

Lincoln’s friends' lives aren’t being portrayed as good because Lincoln doesn’t exist, it’s being portrayed bad because Lincoln doesn’t exist. The reason is because Chandler is a bully and he’s made Lincoln’s friends just like him. This shows that Lincoln is a positive influence on his friends’ lives. Flip’s life is good because only Leni’s accidentally, that’s it. Not because Lincoln and his sisters are a negative influence, people are inspired in many ways, even if they’re a little eccentric. Being healthy obviously made him distracted from being a swindler and as a result, it made him not be a swindler at all. Chunk’s life is not good at all, he spends his days at a dump, which is full of garbage and germs. He said his dreams were crushed, which means his life as a Rockstar before becoming roadie was good to him, now he’s alone and possibly doesn’t have any friends. So it’s wrong, the episode not signaling that everyone’s life is better without someone, it’s showing the highs and lows of someone not existing. This makes saying Time Trap’s message is the same as It’s a Wishful Life a False Equivalence.

5. Here’s the overgeneralization I was talking about, not to mention the second piece of missing context. This point makes it out as all of the Louds were messing up when it was just Leni, Luna, Luan, Lola, and Lily while Lynn and Lisa were looking for the vase and Lincoln, Lori, Lana, and Lucy did nothing. For all we know, they were standing idle and looking around. There’s also misrepresentation again, but first let me tell you what really happened. Leni spills her kale juice on her future mother's wedding dress, Luna suggests to a young Chunk to play rock music instead of a synthetic ballad, Luan pulling a prank on a nun, and Lola making the flower girls cry after complaining how they're doing their task wrong, and Lily knocks over the cake. This page mispresents thse as stupidity when the first one was an accident, the second one was criticism, third one was a habit that was part of an established character, fourth one was also criticism but much harsher, and the fifth one was the result of a two year old who barely knows any better, which is common for most toddlers. The point is the actions weren’t out of stupidity, they were out of being too critical, established character flaws, and inexperience.

6. It’s likely they ended up seeing their parents happy after they managed to burst out of the closet and decided to return to their timeline.

7. It’s possible that they never made the connection and thought Lily looked similar to a baby at their wedding. A lot of babies can look similar.

8. That notion is subject, not objective. Also, they do have a motive, they’re trying to prove that aliens exist, that’s part of their character. They’re meant to be parallels to Zach.

Everything on the page is flawed and when combine with the fact that lots of people really like this special, it does not deserve to be on wiki.

Fjfhdjk (talkcontribs)

Not valid

JD2001 (talkcontribs)

It is valid, I found people who genuinely like the episode. Plus, All of this shows misrepresentation, misinformation, and things being taken out of context.

Marxo Grouch (talkcontribs)

The only thing I found that could verify your claim is the episode's IMDb score, and even then that's bound to change since the episode was just recently released. Unless any solid evidence in favor of deletion is presented, the page is allowed to stay up. That being said, I will place a notice in said page to request sourcing for the reception.

JD2001 (talkcontribs)

Why can't deleted the page because my analysis and me telling people like it.

Marxo Grouch (talkcontribs)

Because you haven't provided actual evidence (ie links) of your statement. Word of mouth needs proof to be believable.

JD2001 (talkcontribs)

Okay, but what about my analysis?

I cannot move pages on either wiki

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Neat Structure (talkcontribs)

For some reason, I don't have the ability to move pages like I used to, meaning that if I'm working on an article via sandbox, I can't move the page sadly. When I click on the "More" button, all I see is the "Purge" button below. I'm guessing this could be a glitch. Can you please restore my moving page abilities?

Marxo Grouch (talkcontribs)

Per the results of an RfC on QP Central, we have now restricted moving to admins only because of move warring in the past on certain pages. If there's a certain page you need moved, let me know.

Neat Structure (talkcontribs)

Oh okay. I did not know about that. I appreciate the response and clarification. And yeah not surprised that the reason is because of the constant move warring.

Can you please delete this page?

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Neat Structure (talkcontribs)

Here’s the link: Ruled Out (The Fairly OddParents)

The episode alongside its sister episode ranked 7.2/10 on IMBd.com. Also, I’ve personally never seen or even heard anyone in general complain indignantly about this episode before at all ever on the internet. The page seems more like an excuse to bash The Fairly OddParents as a whole or just another user’s own personal opinion.

Marxo Grouch (talkcontribs)

I have now carried this request out per the reasoning you gave me.