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What's going on with the preschool audience pages?

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Master Chief (talkcontribs)

Why are they getting deleted all of a sudden? I thought they where allowed again.

DeciduousWater534 (talkcontribs)

The same problems when they were originally allowed started popping up again, which is low quality pages running rampant and quality control becoming far too difficult to handle.

Master Chief (talkcontribs)

Oh. That's a shame. I did spend quite a lot of time making the BWBA page.

Neat Structure (talkcontribs)

I’m glad they are all gone from this wiki and the Horrible TV Shows Wiki. Many of them such as the Peppa Pig and Caillou articles respectively were lazily written anyway with only just generic reasoning and barely any detail, while others such as some (not all, but some) of the Thomas & Friends and Arthur-related articles were overly dramatic and exaggerated. The Loathsome Characters Wiki also suffers the same issue. Another problem I have with the Reception Wikis in general is that a lot of people can be too self-centered at times, even to the point of creating articles solely based on their own personal opinions rather than based on general reception. Aren’t articles based on general reception from both fans and critics alike the sole reason for the existence of the Reception Wikis anyway?

I also noticed the abusing and overuse of caps lock as well as words like “stupid”, “brainless”, “idiotic”, “dumb”, etc. Therefore, I personally don’t think that’s how the Reception Wikis should be and therefore needs to be looked further upon for better improvement. That’s why I usually spend most of my time editing the more quieter articles (like the Fairly OddParents-related stuff) than overly controversial articles (like Thomas & Friends, Arthur, SpongeBob, Caillou etc). I feel like people take television shows too seriously.

Anyways, just my thoughts on the matter.

Trevor807 (talkcontribs)

Some people will miss them, but we can never take such a risk.

Trashanimal (talkcontribs)

There are still some preschool show articles on HTVSEW, one is for a Caillou episode and another is the Caillou Episodes category. PLEASE delete both of them along with any other preschool show pages on that wiki and this wiki too.

RaichuBoy1 (talkcontribs)

Wouldn't it be easier to ban Peppa Pig episodes on the wiki? (just like they did with SpongeBob and Family Guy)

Trevor807 (talkcontribs)

How? And continue to risk losing quality?

Blader07 (talkcontribs)

Hey DeciduosWater534, about you delete my page: Caillou Join The Circus, is my page (final edit) poorly and lazy written or just because of the niche audience?

DeciduousWater534 (talkcontribs)

It was because of the rule. No offence, but bare-boned and rushed feeling pages like that were the reason why the rule was re-added.

Neat Structure (talkcontribs)

DeciduousWater534, I just hope that rule also gets implemented onto the Loathsome Characters Wiki soon, because many articles on that wiki are terribly written in my opinion. However, since I’m been focused on the Fairly OddParents side of town since I joined this community, I’ll probably see what I can do for the Timmy, Cosmo & Wanda, Timmy’s Dad, Crocker, and Jorgen articles on the Loathsome Characters Wiki sooner or later.

Neat Structure (talkcontribs)

Blade07, that page (Caillou Join The Circus) was decently written. But the main Caillou page wasn’t. It was just generic reasoning without any detail or examples.

LifeWasGoodOnHotdogStand (talkcontribs)

does this mean we are getting rid of Niche shows again?

Trevor807 (talkcontribs)

For good.

CarlFilip19 (talkcontribs)

Just to remind you of something:

One reason why pages about preschool shows became allowed is because you looked hypocritical when this network allows pages about films and video games based on preschool shows.

Trevor807 (talkcontribs)

Because of what DeciduousWater534 said. There was a time when niche shows were allowed.

LifeWasGoodOnHotdogStand (talkcontribs)

damn. rip for the short time you had niche audience shows. 2018-2018? and 2020-2021

CarlFilip19 (talkcontribs)

Is this temporary?

Trevor807 (talkcontribs)

Permanent.

Easy Peasy Miraheasy (talkcontribs)

Come on! There are a lot that deserve pages.

Trevor807 (talkcontribs)

I know that, but even if they could be fixed, they’re inevitably going to be ruined.

Trashanimal (talkcontribs)

Yeah, and btw there was someone from the Vyond community on here who took advantage of our lift on the ban of preschool show pages to write a bunch of pages for preschool shows that he personally hated yet get positive to neutral feedback from the rest of the internet, and they even made ludicrous ripoff claims, just like your typical Vyonder (I'm not trying to stereotype all Vyonders as like that though, just that most are like that).

SuperJaleo245 (talkcontribs)

What About Improving Them?

Trevor807 (talkcontribs)

They'll just end up ruined.

Master Chief (talkcontribs)

What if we just lock them to admins only, so they won't be ruined?

Trevor807 (talkcontribs)

Even if we could, reallowing such shows was one reason Masson left. He wouldn't waste his health trying to deal with such a rule.

JarJarBinksFlinks (talkcontribs)

Well he isn't here now.

Trevor807 (talkcontribs)

So you admit you waited for him to retire?

ERightHere (talkcontribs)

Well if niche audience shows are not going to be allowed again, the same should happen for Crappy Games Wiki and Awful Movies Wiki.

Mr. Dready (talkcontribs)

TV shows are a different world when it comes to niche audience.

No article about Uncle Grandpa on both wikis?

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GRAND-DUCHY (talkcontribs)

Is that Cartoon Network show divisive or something? Is it a show for a niche audience? Because I found the show disgusting and embarrassing, just like Secret Mountain Fort Awesome (from the same creator).

Don't even talk about the first episode "Belly Bros".

Trevor807 (talkcontribs)

Nobody bothered to add it.

What happened to my info on Happy Tree Friends "YouTube Copyright School"?

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BuddyBoy600alt (talkcontribs)

I posted the info of the infamous clip on Happy Tree Friends about copyright law. I know many users are forced to watch the video when they get hit with a copyright strike on Youtube. It's called "Youtube Copyright School".

Trevor807 (talkcontribs)

HTF is a niche audience show.

BuddyBoy600alt (talkcontribs)

I know that, But the worst episode of a good show was Youtube Copyright School. TheMysteriousMrEnter even hated it. But it is true, Many users were banned from Youtube for Copyright infringement.

Snesboy12 (talkcontribs)

Yeah but like he said, it's a niche show, niche shows aren't allowed here.

Ivan97Miraheze (talkcontribs)

Then why are adult shows like Ren and Stimpy: Adult Party Cartoon and Mr. Pickles here? Aren't those technically niche shows too?

I'm not saying those pages should be deleted, I'm just pointing out the double standard here: adult shows like Mr. Pickles and R&S: APC are allowed on here, but bad Happy Tree Friends episodes are not?

BuddyBoy600alt (talkcontribs)

Well, Nobody liked the Happy Tree Friends episode about the law of Copyright. And yes, They are forced to watch that annoying instructional Happy Tree Friends video. when they get hit with a copyright strike. And yes, there are worst episodes of niche shows here, Like the City of Frownsville episode of The Powerpuff Girls (Dedicated to 9/11 attack)

Trevor807 (talkcontribs)

Just because The Powerpuff Girls stars girls doesn't qualify it as niche.

Trevor807 (talkcontribs)

The difference is that HTF is more “niche” than either show.

Dorothy Nightingale (talkcontribs)

See, this is also why we don't allow "niche" audience shows. Commonly they don't have very much logic and are usually aimed at little children with simplification. We used to have "dubbing disasters" of niche audience shows, but we got rid of them.

Adult Party Cartoon is featured because it was basically like Shadow the Hedgehog, taking a kids show and making it darker and edgier with inappropriate humor and tropes, BUT with the twist is that it wasn't a fanfic, it was something official. NickMom is staying because many parents hated it from the start and destroyed Nick Jr's reputation.

You could talk about the Copyright School on the YouTube page as well.

JinHazama (talkcontribs)

But this wiki has articles for anime shows such as Violence Jack, Genocyber, Masou Gakuen HxH and Boku no Pico which are much more explict than Hapoy Tree Friends because those shows have sexual content and/or more gore.

Trevor807 (talkcontribs)

Good point.

BuddyBoy600alt (talkcontribs)

And yes, Nobody likes YouTube Copyright School.

Trevor807 (talkcontribs)

Completely misses the point of the show. They could have licensed some other webseries or even created their own characters.

BuddyBoy600alt (talkcontribs)

Yeah! And the reason why we put the episode info here is they didn't mention the company. Mondo Media owns the rights to Happy Tree Friends.

Trevor807 (talkcontribs)

They could have put a copyright for Mondo at the end.

BuddyBoy600alt (talkcontribs)

I agree.

JarJarBinksFlinks (talkcontribs)

Or got someone like PewDiePie.

JarJarBinksFlinks (talkcontribs)

Not the HTFs.

I like peace and quiet (talkcontribs)

I have a few questions. For one, is anyone planning to write a page about Teletubbies? I saw Barney, Dora, Caillou, and Peppa Pig all have articles, and like those shows, Teletubbies is considered to be one of the worst TV shows ever. For two, is there an opposite of "Horrible TV Show Episodes Wiki"? And for three, if niche audience shows are allowed again on TTSW, what about niche audience shows for teens, such as Austin & Ally, Jessie, K.C. Undercover, Liv and Maddie, Girl Meets World, and Hannah Montana? A few years ago I asked if shows like Best Friends Whenever could be on Best TV Shows Wiki, but if they can't, can they be on this Wiki instead? Also, more baby shows with hatedoms: Team Umizoomi, PJ Masks, Puppy Dog Pals, Max & Ruby, Sofia the First, Sunny Day, Shimmer and Shine, Fancy Nancy, and Paw Patrol. In fact some of them may already be here and I've just missed their pages. And there's probably more shows I forgot about. Moreover, there are more teen sitcoms to add as well. Among them: Wendell & Vinnie, Coup & Cami Ask the World, Stuck in the Middle, Big Time Rush, and Sydney to the Max.

Trevor807 (talkcontribs)
  1. You can start a sandbox on it.
  2. I don't believe there is yet.
  3. Just because it has a bad reputation doesn't mean it's actually bad. The Loud House has a sizable hatedom, for example.
DarkMatterMan4500 (talkcontribs)

There was an article on Teletubbies that did come to some of our wikis.

Trevor807 (talkcontribs)

I'm lucky I didn't think of that when I protected lots of niche audience show pages from being created back when we still had the rule.

I like peace and quiet (talkcontribs)

@Trevor807 I know reputations aren't everything, but for sure what does define which shows are good and bad? I saw PAW Patrol exists at the Best TV Shows Wiki, but is it supposed to? Also, yes, I remember when Teletubbies had a page at the old Terrible TV Shows Wiki at Fandom. Liv and Maddie had one there too, and so did Best Friends Whenever and Girl Meets World. Keep in mind though, that was back when the niche audience shows pages rule didn't exist, so when it did, Teletubbies got deleted and moved to Best TV Shows Wiki. That happened with Girl Meets World too, but when Liv and Maddie was deleted, it didn't exist at the Best TV Shows Wiki until I made it a few years ago (September 5, 2019). I'm still wondering though if that was a mistake on my part though, because Liv and Maddie has a good number of flaws. I saw there's now a new Wiki called "Mixed TV Shows" and I wonder if some of these shows (like Liv and Maddie, Austin & Ally, Jessie, and Big Time Rush) should be there instead. Because on one hand, Liv and Maddie has lots of heart, but on the other, there's a number of mean-spirited scenes and gross-out gags. In fact, I was planning on writing some Liv and Maddie episodes here, and two examples are "Bro-Cave-A-Rooney" and "Detention-A-Rooney". Both were really gross and mean-spirited.

Trevor807 (talkcontribs)

What defines it is the actual quality.

I like peace and quiet (talkcontribs)

OK, but how do we determine the quality besides opinions? For instance, I said a few years ago (when I first joined in September 2019) that "The Battle of Bikini Bottom" deserves to be bad and not good in SpongeBob, but that was rejected. In fact, I was stupid to have made that tread, because it didn't do any good anyway. Though I still believe that The Battle of Bikini Bottom is terrible and that are obvious examples of terrible SpongeBob episodes in Seasons 4 and 5, like for example "Good Neighbors" (Season 4) and "To Love a Patty" (Season 5). Also, there are newer episodes that are notoriously terrible, such as "Ink Lemonade", "Cuddle E. Hugs", and "Out of the Picture". But also, I didn't always know that Feral Friends in post-sequel SpongeBob was considered good. And I should have known it sooner about why TheTopTens sucks (I didn't see the Rotten Websites until later, but I've ALWAYS known about their terrible qualities anyway) but on the other hand, they're the same kind of people who hate shows like Teletubbies and love episodes like The Battle of Bikini Bottom. But I wanted to prove that The Battle of Bikini Bottom IS, in fact, terrible, because it's disgusting and a Patrick's a Prick episode. It's also a SpongeBob abuse episode, and while tolerance is good, saying "It matters not whether one is clean or dirty" in these times is just terrible (COVID-19 happened because of this). Also I wanted to prove that Teletubbies and some of those other shows don't deserve their hatedoms. But it's hard to when shows like Liv and Maddie get gross, annoying, and inappropriate. The two episodes I named are examples. At least nothing in Teletubbies was like that with gross jokes (the bro-cave and the twins getting sick for instance) or just overall annoying and badly written (such as the love triangles). And I've noticed that more and more Victorious and iCarly episodes are getting pages, and I already wrote The Bird Scene (though it needs help). I wanted to write April Fool's Blank (another bad Victorious episode), but it'd be hard to because I've only seen it as recently as about five or six years ago. But I should do Detention-A-Rooney and Bro-Cave-A-Rooney real soon. I will start soon just after I finish this sentence, and it ends here.

Trevor807 (talkcontribs)

If it has more WIS/BQ points than RQ/GQ points, it can go here.

I like peace and quiet (talkcontribs)

I just finished with Detention-A-Rooney. But since it was preceded by a great episode (Rate-A-Rooney), I will be posting R-A-R on Best TV Shows Wiki soon.

I like peace and quiet (talkcontribs)

I created Teletubbies. But which other episodes and shows that I mentioned are supposed to be here? Either that, or on the best TV shows site? Or neither of them?

I like peace and quiet (talkcontribs)

Also, I forgot to mention something. Sanjay and Craig was moved to Sanjay and Craig (Season 1), but with a cut-and-paste move. Can the histories be merged? Also, no one seems to mention that Season 2 of Sanjay and Craig was terrible too. Another thing is that I asked once why "#OscarTheOuch" is considered good. Is it really? And why? I asked on an old thread I made (Rename at SpongeBob). I have NEVER understood why people don't think that Sanjay and Craig was still terrible in Season 2. I don't even remember even ONE good episode in that season. Also, I know it now about TheTopTens not being reliable (in all honestly, I was dumb to think it was, since I know what it's like), but what are the reliable sources? If they aren't IMDb or TV.com, what are they? Again, I was dumb to think that those were reliable sources (even though they don't have TV.com yet at Rotten Websites, but I've asked for it and am planning to write it if I can.)

I like peace and quiet (talkcontribs)

I saw Detention-A-Rooney is now marked for deletion, but if it's deleted, can it just be at Mixed TV Shows instead? I saw there are no pages there, so I'm adding it along with some other shows. For example, should Sanjay and Craig be there? (at Mixed TV Shows). Here's a link to the page about Detention-A-Rooney I'm going to write there (it will be a copy/paste of the page at this site):

https://mixedtvshows.miraheze.org/wiki/Detention-A-Rooney_(Liv_and_Maddie)

Trevor807 (talkcontribs)

It’s not an official wiki.

I like peace and quiet (talkcontribs)

OK, but if it's allowed on Best TV Shows Wiki, I will have to rewrite it. BTW, are any Liv and Maddie episodes allowed here, or are they not? I wouldn't write those pages here then. Also, now that Sanjay and Craig is moved back, can the old history be restored? However, it might should exclude Season 3 after all. After all, it actually showed improvement there. But if not, there should be more pointers about the bad in Season 3 if there is any, like how Caillou mentioned bad in the third and fourth seasons. Also, the fact that the mixed TV shows site isn't official explains why it said my edits had to be approved. I guess they won't be. But if I can't retrieve the text there, can I be given a copy to send to BTSW? I'll have to rewrite it though. Even at best, the episode wasn't that great, so it'd have to just be decent unless there can be great things in the WIR section.

I like peace and quiet (talkcontribs)

Also, since Teletubbies and other Niché Audience Shows are banned again, are any of those shows allowed on Best TV Shows again? I've seen some like PAW Patrol there, but can Teletubbies be back at that site? If it could, can the old article be restored? Also, I'd like a sandboxed copy of Caillou and the other Niché Audience Show articles if possible. Especially since I was the creator of Teletubbies. The reason I ask this is in case they can go on the Mixed TV Shows site (even though it's unofficial). If it was, would Sanjay and Craig be moved there instead? Considering that Sanjay and Craig is seen as an average TV show now, and several more shows are. For the record, why can't the Mixed TV Shows site be an official Wiki? I thought it was a good idea for average shows. I also think that there should be a Mixed Movies for average films. For the most part, I still haven't seen anyone say anything bad about Season 2 of Sanjay and Craig, but I still don't remember anything good from it. The article still mentions Seasons 2 and 3 as good, but if that's true should it be moved back after all? Even so, the old history should be restored either way. Finally, which shows that I mentioned that aren't on either this site nor Best TV Shows are not supposed to be here or there? Some of them I might make on the Mixed TV Shows Wiki, but even if it's unofficial, I still think it should have some more pages (unless it gets deleted). Speaking of which, will it ever get deleted? I was also wondering if I could make the Mixed Movies site or not. I would if I could. Some movies that I think belong are The Fox and the Hound 2, Charlotte's Web 2: Wilbur's Great Adventure, Ralph Breaks the Internet, and maybe even some of the live-action remakes like The Lion King (2019). Basically, most examples are either sequels or remakes. But on the other hand, there might be some original films that are average as well.

Trevor807 (talkcontribs)

They were only on there because they couldn't go here. And if you make a "mixed" wiki, it will never be official. Such a wiki is unnecessary.

Cartoonito Is Coming To The US...

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SuperJaleo245 (talkcontribs)

A Teen Titans Go! spin-off is in the works...

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Dexter's Mom (talkcontribs)
Trevor807 (talkcontribs)

Excuse me, are you SCN? Because you seem familiar.

LifeWasGoodOnHotdogStand (talkcontribs)

A spin off to a spin off. Interesting.

Acapal8893 (talkcontribs)

Does it say that TTG is (shutters) getting another season?

Dexter's Mom (talkcontribs)

It does not.

Acapal8893 (talkcontribs)

Hopefully not.

Very sad news everyone.

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Stephenfisher2001 (talkcontribs)

So these new logos made me think

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SpongeBobFan99 (talkcontribs)

I felt like they belong here, and somewhere else. And then I got a good idea… we should start our own YouTube channels! Taking our articles in video form. Anybody wanna support?

About the closures of Disney Channel, Disney XD and Disney Junior....

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HellLord (talkcontribs)
HellLord (talkcontribs)

BTW, not all the people could afford Disney+

Trevor807 (talkcontribs)

Yeah, a huge mistake in the long run.

HellLord (talkcontribs)

Yeah

NeptunePerson2018 (talkcontribs)

I hope it didn't close in the US.

Trevor807 (talkcontribs)

It's still readily avaliable in the States... for now, at least.

HellLord (talkcontribs)

Ikr

Masson Thief (talkcontribs)

"Nostalgiatard". Well, I hope no one on our wikis will think one is a nostalgiatard only because he misses stuff that was available the last month.

Trevor807 (talkcontribs)

LeroyManTheFirst thinks we're nostalgiatards just because ThunderCats Roar is actually bad.

Masson Thief (talkcontribs)

That show has very bad character design which alone is a good reason to think that it is widely inferior to the old series.

HellLord (talkcontribs)

Ok, thanks for the reply

I have no idea (talkcontribs)

Just why the f*ck would they close the channels in the UK? Next thing that's gonna happen is that Nick's gonna do the same, along with CN. Honestly, TV networks don't think of others. They only care about money cause they're greedy.

Crs3011 (talkcontribs)

Yeah and if you are in the UK, now you have to pay for Disney+. Bob Chapek is an idiot and a greedy pig.

Trevor807 (talkcontribs)

Especially since it's well-known that cable TV is indeed still viable. Streaming will never kill it.

Snesboy12 (talkcontribs)

I am really glad you guys agree with me on this.

Masson Thief (talkcontribs)

Obviously when companies make these drastic decisions it's always all about money.

Trevor807 (talkcontribs)

If I ran a huge empire, all the cable networks in all countries would remain. In fact, reruns of some streaming originals would air now and then.

Snesboy12 (talkcontribs)

Yeah, in fact speaking of "reruns of some streaming originals", Bojack Horseman recently returned to Comedy Central.

BuddyBoy600alt (talkcontribs)

Another Disney channel we are losing is Radio Disney.

Should 4Kids be added back to this wiki?

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SuperStreetKombat (talkcontribs)

We all know that they had a pretty bad reputation, though not as bad as that... thing, among anime fans, but they did have a large following, which included me, so since they're not as bad as the F word company and fans have cooled off from them since the latter company's downfall and the fact that this company also has a page on Best TV Shows Wiki, I think they should have "Bad Qualities" instead of "Why They Sucked" and "Good Qualities" instead of "Redeeming Qualities", if they ever get a page here again.

Trevor807 (talkcontribs)

Most of their flaws were caused by FCC and network regulations. Easily its worst part was its CEO.

SuperStreetKombat (talkcontribs)

Yeah, I do remember Al Kahn, who was CEO of 4Kids but then retired in 2011. I understand that 4Kids' problems mostly come from him, but fans still blame the company as a whole for their actions.

Trevor807 (talkcontribs)

Still, Funimation did virtually the same in their early years as well. Also, 4Kids introduced several anime to the States.

SuperStreetKombat (talkcontribs)

So I take it 4Kids should still be left off of this wiki?

Trevor807 (talkcontribs)

Yes. Plus, if something has a bad reputation, that doesn't mean it's actually bad.

SuperStreetKombat (talkcontribs)

Okay, thanks you telling me. Also, like I said, 4Kids had a special place in my heart, even though I also detested it for Americanizing anime.

They, along with Toonami (back when it was on Cartoon Network), introduced me to anime.

Blader07 (talkcontribs)

Downfall?

category.

SuperStreetKombat (talkcontribs)

That has nothing to do with this topic.

Blader07 (talkcontribs)

I know right, but i just want to question you guys.

SuperStreetKombat (talkcontribs)

Why don't you talk about that in another discussion before this one gets off-topic?

SuperStreetKombat (talkcontribs)

Since 4Kids is staying off this wiki, how about we add them to the Forbidden Pages list here?

Trevor807 (talkcontribs)

Technically we don't have a Forbidden Pages list.

SuperStreetKombat (talkcontribs)

Oh. ...well, okay.

Mr. Dready (talkcontribs)

4Kids shouldn’t definetly go on this wiki, despite the censorship in they’re anime dubs, they weren’t a bad company anyway, because most of they’re anime dubs we’re actually good.